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Spawn Rules

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  1. Böhser Onkel [AUT]
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    Population
    Start: 35
    Gateway: +25

    Spawn rate:
    Start: 16 seconds
    End: 150 seconds

    Time between each minion spawns

    16+(Unit with Population number X/max. Population)*(150-16) = seconds needed to spawn Unit with Population number X
    16+(10/60)*(150-16) = 38,33333
    The Minion which will have the Population number 10, will spawn 38,33333 seconds after the the previous Minion, when you have 1 Portal.
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    How much faster multible Portals are compaired to a single, and when they reach their full potential.
    Unit with Population number X *16 + (150-16) * (Unit with Population number X -1)*( Unit with Population number X -2)/(2* max. Population) = Time in seconds
    After which time do you reach the maximal amount of Minions with; 1 Portal; 2 Portals; 3 Portals (when the Population rate of the Unit is 1 [Gnarling, Cultist, Chunder])?
    1 Portal:
    (60*16)+(150-16)*(60-1)*(60-2)/(2*60)) = 4781,233333 /60 = 79,687222222 ~80 minutes
    2 Portals:
    (85*16)+(150-16)*(85-1)*(85-2)/(2*85)) = 6855,5764…../60 = 114,259608….. ~ 114 minutes
    3 Portals:
    (110*16)+(150-16)*(110-1)*(110-2)/(2*110)) = 8930,218182…../60 = 148,8369697….. ~ 149 minutes
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    Infos:

    • Taking a Portal will increase your spawn rate.
    • As more Units you have as longer will it take that your next unit will spawn.
    • A Beast Den will slow down your spawn rate of your intelligent Minions
    • Beasts has no effect on your Population

    Minions and Rooms
    A Minion can only spawn when there is room for it.
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    Beast master and Huntress:

    A Beast Master works different to the other Minions, because the Arena don’t have Props.
    He needs 5 tiles where he can throw Beasts into the Arena.
    So if you have a 5x5 Arena you have to count minus the corner, which makes 3 tiles for each side.
    (5x5) [Room size] -(4*3) [Room corners] /4 [tiles to Spawn] = 2,6 [Amount of Beast master you will get]

    Many Beast Masters, build 3x?
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    Mixture of training and getting BeastsMasters, build 4x?
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    Sancutary & Archive
    This room where you have most room for Cultist to attract will dominate, the other Room will be ignored for the calculation.
    So they do not add together, they will ignor each other.


    Special Rule
    It says, when you build a 3x3 Room you will get at least 2 minions out of it, regardless of the room capacity.
    Even for the Beast Den Update (That’s why you get 8 Minions out of a 3x3 Beast Den. That's half the size(18+1) you normaly would get this amount of Beats)

    Early Game Rule
    The very first 5 Units are effected
    Every intelligent Minion will spawn after 30 seconds.
    Every Beast will spawn after 25 seconds.
    The next intelligent Minion of the same kind will take +30 seconds from the previous Minion of the same kind and every Beast of the same kind will take +25 seconds.
    Unit 1#: 1st Cultist: 30 sec
    Unit 2#: 2nd Cultist: 60 sec
    Unit 3#: 3rd Cultist: 90 Sec
    Unit 4#: 4th Cultist: 120 sec
    Unit 5#: 5th Cultist: 150 sec
    Global spawntime takes over
    Unit 1#: 1st Cultist: 30 sec
    Unit 2#: 1st Oculus: 30 sec
    Unit 3#: 1st Gnalring: 30 sec
    Unit 4#: 1st Skarg: 30 sec
    Unit 5#: 1st Chunder: 30 sec
    Global spawntime takes over


    WIP - What decreases your spawnrate?
    only effects units of the same kind
    - throw them back where they came from
    - burning minions in the Torture Chamber
    - Using them for Vampire Ritual
    - throw them into the Spit Roast [Tavern]
    - bloodmoney a Unit?
    - inprison a Unit?
    - Slapping Unit DOESN'T increase the spawntime

    Big thanks to V0id,

    for helping and supporting me with this Thread
     
    Last edited: Nov 4, 2016
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  2. Böhser Onkel [AUT]
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    What's a Prop?
    A Prop is that Room thingy you get.

    The Barracks Prop would be the Training Dummy.
    The Archive Prop is the Book Table.
    The Foundry Prop is the Anvil.
    etc.

    What do you mean with Population?

    The Population is the Limit of Minions you can get.
    Every Minion will increase your Population, but keep in mind that every Unit has a different Population rate.
     
    Last edited: Dec 1, 2015
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    Very useful information! What I didn't find though is how many Cultists are attracted by Sanctuary prop.
     
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    The sanctuary is only for Rituals, the only creature you can get from it is the vampire.

    Edit: I was wrong D:
     
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    Hmm... I can be mistaken but as far as I know Cultists can be attracted by Sanctuary without the need to build Archive, because only they can work there. But I need to test this because now I'm confused.
     
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    Never heard about that, but if it's true please let me know.
     
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    Yes they can.
     
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    Thanks SADevil & Nutter
    I tested it and you are both right (1:0 for you Nutter>.<)

    I will add this

    Edit: Added
     
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    Update Changes:
    Minion Prop attraction has been changed.
    Early Game Rule has been added (It's added to prevent simple Rushes, like Gnarling & Beast Rush or Chunder + Arena Rush)
    Emperial Units has been added to the List
    1.3 Beast Spawn Mechanics deleted
     
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    Where did you get the new numbers for Beasts? (Or the old numbers for that matter.)
    It would mean a maximum beast den has gone from 77 tiles to 100 tiles.
     
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    I asked V0id and Simburger, they gave me those informations, but mostly V0id.
    It does mean before the 1.4 the biggest usefull Beast Den was 77 Tiles big.
    Beasts have a separate Population capacity (40).
    Multiple Beast Den Portals won’t increase the spawn rate of Beasts (you have to count -1 tile for the Beast Den portal, so it does the opposite).
    The beast which you have at least will spawn at first.
    Beasts spawn after a spawn order:

    1. Oculus (max. 9)
    2. Skarg (max. 9)
    3. Shadow (max. 8)
    4. BAFU (max. 8)

    To attract as many Beast as possible, your Beast Den has to be 77 tiles big.
    With other words, you must have a 8x9 + 5 tile Beast Den.

    Formula:
    (1,5*9)[=9 Oculus]+(2*9)[=9 Skarg]+(2*8)[=8 Shadow]+(2,5*8)[=8 BAFU]+1[=Beast Den Prop] = 76,5 ~ 77
    Now the Beast Den has no hard cap, that means, Bigger Beast Den = more Beasts. You can have a 1001 Tile Beast den and will get a shit load (=400) of Beasts, if your Population can handle that.
     
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    Please add information on the creature Empire, creatures and the Crucible.
     

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